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Auto Stop/start and no gears

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I've just bought a 2016 Cooper.

I love the car but I'm not happy with the stop/start function. Every now and then when the car switches off, it refuses to find any gears when it fires back up again. I worked out that I have to switch everything off, engage first gear and then fire up the car. Once that's done the problem goes again but this can't be right.

I've started switching off the auto function, but wondered if anyone else has had the same or similar problems.

Thanks for any advice.
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I can't see a gear selection issue being related to the start/stop function, the manual gearbox is notchy and sometimes difficult to get in to gear but that's just a characteristic of the gearbox.

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Brandon is correct, there should be no connection between difficult gear selection and the stop/start system as far as I know, though I have never used the system so could be wrong.

Have you tried going into second before trying to go into first gear. It used to help in the old days, with or without synchro first gear?
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Thanks guys.

When the problem happens, the gear stick point blank refuses to engage with any gears. I'm not a techy person, so thanks for clearing up the link with the auto start/stop - it must be a coincidence that the problem only happens when that's on.
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Thanks guys.

When the problem happens, the gear stick point blank refuses to engage with any gears. I'm not a techy person, so thanks for clearing up the link with the auto start/stop - it must be a coincidence that the problem only happens when that's on.
I have had the same issue on my S. What I believe is happening is when the engine spools down, the input shaft to the transmission stops at a point in which the cogs don't line up on two gears. When you depress the clutch to slot it into first, the two gears "collide", preventing the actual shift from happening.

The curiously evil thing about this is that the engine restarts when you press the clutch pedal, which means that any cog mischief cannot be rectified because the transmission is no longer connected to the engine.

The first few times this happened, I freaked out and desperately tried to jam it into gear, any gear. But I eventually figured it out. When it happens all you have to do is put it in neutral and let the clutch out. This causes the misbehaving gears to spin into a new alignment, so when you push the clutch back in again, you can slot the gear with no problem.

Another thing you can do is when you think the light is about to change, turn the steering wheel slightly. This will start the engine, and you can depress the clutch and engage first gear normally. I do this if I think I will need to make a quick getaway from the light.
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Thanks for clearing this up uke, I didn't know the reason but always done what you said, must be my pre sync days on first gear

Have to say the first thing I do after starting the engine is turn off the stop/start!
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Thanks for clearing this up uke, I didn't know the reason but always done what you said, must be my pre sync days on first gear

Have to say the first thing I do after starting the engine is turn off the stop/start!
Wow, you remember non-synchromesh? Cool. I had a Land Cruiser like that. Brutal but honest.
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Wow, you remember non-synchromesh? Cool. I had a Land Cruiser like that. Brutal but honest.
You know when reading your fix a couple of posts up I was thinking "that's basically double de-clutching". (That's a UK term, I think USA may call it something else.)
I wonder how many people can do that these days? Or even know what it is
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Yep i do,am in my 50's but My grandad told me about it and even though i have never driven a non synchromesh car i made it my mission to learn how to do it. I used it on changing down on hills for smoother shifts. Basically depress clutch ,engage neutral release clutch rev engine to match sleed it will be in next gear then depress clutch and engage lower gear! Handy if your clutch is shot too! Used to do clutchless shifts on our school minibus for the **** of it!

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You know when reading your fix a couple of posts up I was thinking "that's basically double de-clutching". (That's a UK term, I think USA may call it something else.)
I wonder how many people can do that these days? Or even know what it is
Yes, exactly, We called it "double clutching" back in the day. If you were good at it you could even shift into a non synchro first gear while moving. Organic rev matching. I even rev matched into reverse one time, LOL.

I was talking to my MINI guy. He told me that they never order manual cars for inventory anymore. Even the JCW buyers go with automatic (sad face). The only manual cars they have are the ones traded by enthusiasts like me. They had one loaner a few years back that was manual, and it took about a month for people to burn out the clutch on it. People were baffled by the clutch even though it's mostly flat around here.

I cherish these continuous little interactions with a venerable mechanical device (manual transmission) that is probably, regretfully, fading from view. That's driving. Nothing wrong with the autos, but the driver involvement is so much higher with a manual. Even this strange glitch the thread is discussing is a bit of personality coming from the transmission.
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