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Ok I'm back with more questions, been for a 2 hour test drive this morning, which has confirmed how much I like the car but has thrown up a couple of things. I have a re-currant back problem, which several years ago was made so bad by the car I was driving I had to sell it as I was in constant pain. I drove a level 2 this morning, which after 2 hours made me think I may have a problem (which is why I wanted a 24 hour test drive). I understand the level 3 has lumbar support. Does anyone who has a level 3 but has driven a level 2 know if the seats are more supportive, particularly towards the bottom of the seat back? Secondly I was very suprised that such a lovely car didn't have adjustable height seat belts, again are they the same on the level 3. Thanks, its very difficult buying a car when you can't try the different spec's.
 

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I love my Mini, so much so that I have ordered a new one but their seats are not the best. My new Mini will have the ‘better’ seats fitted to the Exclusive Edition but they are still some way behind manufacturers like Volvo. Go and try a Volvo seat and then go and moan to the Mini dealers that they really need to sort out the seats fitted in all Minis; perhaps they will feed this back to BMW/Mini but don’t hold your breath.
 

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I can't answer your question because mine is a level 2, the one I test drove was a level 2, but the dealer I bought from had a level 3 as their display model (I think it was their demonstrator too) and the salesman was very keen to show me all over it to see how much extra I would get. I'd already made my mind up so I didn't pay too much attention to what he was saying but if you can find a dealer (within a reasonable distance) that has a level 3 as display or demonstrator you could see for yourself. Just a thought.
 

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No adjustable height seatbelts in Minis I'm afraid and I've always found the seats really comfy but we all have different rears and there may be more adjustment in other cars.
 

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I can't answer your question because mine is a level 2, the one I test drove was a level 2, but the dealer I bought from had a level 3 as their display model (I think it was their demonstrator too) and the salesman was very keen to show me all over it to see how much extra I would get. I'd already made my mind up so I didn't pay too much attention to what he was saying but if you can find a dealer (within a reasonable distance) that has a level 3 as display or demonstrator you could see for yourself. Just a thought.
No level 3's close to me at the moment I'm afraid
 

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Ok I'm back with more questions, been for a 2 hour test drive this morning, which has confirmed how much I like the car but has thrown up a couple of things. I have a re-currant back problem, which several years ago was made so bad by the car I was driving I had to sell it as I was in constant pain. I drove a level 2 this morning, which after 2 hours made me think I may have a problem (which is why I wanted a 24 hour test drive). I understand the level 3 has lumbar support. Does anyone who has a level 3 but has driven a level 2 know if the seats are more supportive, particularly towards the bottom of the seat back? Secondly I was very suprised that such a lovely car didn't have adjustable height seat belts, again are they the same on the level 3. Thanks, its very difficult buying a car when you can't try the different spec's.
I have level 3, although it has got lumbar support it's not adjustable to lower into correct place for low back which seems daft but the seats are more comfortable than level 2 as I also found during test drive I suffered lower back pain and it's not as bad in level 3 but I would still recommend you test drive level 3 with the very limited lumbar support adjustment.

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I have level 3, although it has got lumbar support it's not adjustable to lower into correct place for low back which seems daft but the seats are more comfortable than level 2 as I also found during test drive I suffered lower back pain and it's not as bad in level 3 but I would still recommend you test drive level 3 with the very limited lumbar support adjustment.

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Thanks, I'm just worried I'm going to end up having to order level 3, when really level 2 suits my needs and price range then still end up with problems!
 

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I have back problems too and having gone from an F56 Cooper S with leather lounge and lumbar adjustment, which were some of the most comfortable and supportive seats I've had in years, to a new F60 Countryman with the JCW seats I actually told my dealer I'd walk away from the car if it didn't have the lumbar adjustment. When looking at the inside view of the car on the configurator it doesn't show the lumber adjuster on the F60 and it's not mentioned anywhere. He checked with Mini and assured me that the lumbar adjust was included but even on the day I picked it up I was ready to walk away if it wasn't there. Can you see if you can get an extended test drive in another Mini with the seats you want, any of the 'Classic' models might have the Cloth Leatherette Black Pearl seats from the level 2 electric. The leather lounge seats in the level 3 are very nice though and I do miss them in my current car.
 

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Aftermarket seat(s) ???

Sounds a bit extreme for a brand new car but I bet you could get exactly what you want for way less than the price difference between a level 2 and a level 3.
 

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Lounge leather are simply the loveliest seats we've ever had in any mini but lumbar adjustment? Had it in loads of cars and it really makes so little difference I think if I had a bad back I'd get some memory foam!.
 
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I love my Mini, so much so that I have ordered a new one but their seats are not the best. My new Mini will have the ‘better’ seats fitted to the Exclusive Edition but they are still some way behind manufacturers like Volvo. Go and try a Volvo seat and then go and moan to the Mini dealers that they really need to sort out the seats fitted in all Minis; perhaps they will feed this back to BMW/Mini but don’t hold your breath.
My mate had a Volvo as a courtesy car when his Audi A6 was being repaired, (bodywork). He bought a Volvo S70 soon after, based solely on the comfort of the seats!
 

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I suffer from back pain too and after a 24 hour test drive in a Level 3 it was the car for me.
Now after 9 months I haven't changed my opinion. The seats are some of the comfiest I have ever had, for me anyway. I find them very supportive in the lower back area.
Tell your dealer you need to try a Level 3 and see if they can source you a demo.
As for seat belt height adjustment BMW don't seem to do it. I've just sold a very well specced X5 and it didn't have seat belt height adjustment either!
 

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I suffer from back pain too and after a 24 hour test drive in a Level 3 it was the car for me.
Now after 9 months I haven't changed my opinion. The seats are some of the comfiest I have ever had, for me anyway. i find them very supportive in the lower back area.
Tell your dealer you need to try a Level 3 and see if they can source you a demo.
As for seat belt height adjustment BMW don't seem to do it. I've just sold a very well specced X5 and it didn't have seat belt height adjustment either!
Wow had no idea that there was no seat belt height adjustment on any BMW's, I suppose Ive been spoilt as most of my cars over the last 15 years are VAG even my Skoda has one. Did see the picture below online, anyone tried these?
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Lounge leather are simply the loveliest seats we've ever had in any mini but lumbar adjustment? Had it in loads of cars and it really makes so little difference I think if I had a bad back I'd get some memory foam!.
Well 5 years ago I bought a top spec Kia Sportage which I took on quite a long test drive before I bought it, realised my misstate within a week of ownership, I survived 2 years with a folded memory foam bathmat between my back and the seat, but in the end I was struggling to stand all day at work the pain in my back was so bad, swapped it for a Skoda VRS and the problem went. I'm not prepared to pay circa £30k to have the same problem. I've seen an advert for a level 3 'coming soon' at a Mini garage in Sheffield which is an hour and a half drive, but would consider going to test drive it, before committing to a new car.
 

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Yes don't blame you. It needs to suit you. Big expense not to make sure you'll be comfy. Volvo seats have long been lauded by back specialist. No one else really seems to have caught on.
 

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As well as looking at the lumbar support just putting the heated seat on can help to ease back pain, I know this works for both my wife and I in our minis. You should also consider the position of the seat squab extender as different femur lengths and how you support them make a difference as well.
 

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I have back problems, namely spinal disc protrusion in the lower part of my back, and i have lumbar support in my MINI (i have sport seats in my JCW, but not those racing type).
The seats are... okay, unless you do 10 hours a day. I experienced some strain in my back when i did like 900 km a day or when i gave it full throttle on a track day (mostly because side support is average for racing), but i find it totally fine for daily driving.
 
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