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Just taken delivery of my Mini Electric and I don't get why I can't put the car into scheduled charging mode to take advantage of cheaper electricity rates without having to set a leaving time, or pre-conditioning, as I don't leave home at a regular time every day.

My cheap electricty rate is between 00:30 and 04:30, so I tested it by setting up this time slot, and setting my leaving time to 08:00, as that is the time I tend to leave the most. The car charged fine, but it actually started charging around 22:00 in the evening and finished at 08:00 the next morning (I was on a 3 pin plug). The car completely ignored my schedule and just went instead aimed to give me a full charge by 08:00, which is not what I want. I only want the car to drawer power between 00:30 and 04:30.

I do have a wall charger (I'm having teething problems with it as it keeps cutting out, but that's another story), and I can set the schedule on my wall charger and just leave the car set to charge all the time, the problem seems to be that if the wall charger shuts off abruptly at 04:30, the charge session doesn't seem to register on the Mini Connected app, which isn't a show stopper, but it's not ideal.

TLDR: Is there a way to schedule the charging from the car without having to set a departure time or preconditioning?
 

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On the phone app you simply 'set charging time' I know it says departure time on the headlines but it starts to charge at the time you set.
 

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On the phone app you simply 'set charging time' I know it says departure time on the headlines but it starts to charge at the time you set.
Thanks for the reply, I have tried setting the charging time via the app, but it's the same problem as when I set it in the car. It doesn't just limit charging to the time slot, it overrides that to ensure the car has a full charge by the departure time, which isn't what I want. I can see this is the case from my energy suppliers usage graph, and the Mini connected app also shows it's charged outside of the defined charging window.

My car is the new LCI that's just been released (2022?) which I believe has new software, so maybe it's just a software issue that needs resolving.

It does seem daft to me being forced to set a departure time to schedule charging during off peak hours, but this is my first venture into EV ownership, so it's all new to me.
 

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On the phone app you simply 'set charging time' I know it says departure time on the headlines but it starts to charge at the time you set.
It’s not quite that simple. You also have to set a departure time for the settings to work and be sent to the car. My suggestion is that you set the departure time for 04:30, that way the car will charge up to the time. It may start early though as the car will aim to reach 100% ready for departure based on the available power. So on the granny charger it could take more than 4 hours to reach 100%, the car know this and adjusts the start time to give the best range by 04:30. On a wall box at 7kw the car can reach 100% in four hours and should there stay within the 4 hour window you have set. I have no issues doing the same as you on the wall box. I have my departure time set for 07:00 and my car always starts charging at 20:30 until 00:30 (my cheap rate window).
 

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On the phone app you simply 'set charging time' I know it says departure time on the headlines but it starts to charge at the time you set.
Here is the screen you mean. If you scroll down I bet you have a departure time set. If you don’t you get the following message when you try to send the command to the car

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Here is the screen you mean. If you scroll down I bet you have a departure time set. If you don’t you get the following message when you try to send the command to the car
Yeah, thanks, that's exactly what I see on the app, and the message is similar message in car. That's a good idea setting the car to pre-condition for 04:30, I'd be happy with that as long as it doesn't start drawing power before the cheap rate starts, which I guess it probably won't as the battery will rarely drop below 50%. I guess I could also set the timer on the wall charger (once it's fixed) to power on at 00:25 and go off at 04:35, just to make sure the car can't drawer power at a higher rate. I don't care about the car fully charging each night.
 

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Just spitballing here......would it honour the 4 hour window if you set the departure time for the day after next rather than the next day?

eg. On Monday night, set the departure time for Wednesday morning.
 

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Just spitballing here......would it honour the 4 hour window if you set the departure time for the day after next rather than the next day?

eg. On Monday night, set the departure time for Wednesday morning.
Nope...doesn't work!

I set my departure time for Sunday morning then set a 5 min window for the off-peak charging. I thought it may use the off-peak every day until Sunday morning when it would need to make up the rest of the charge. It didn't start charging at the set time so I guess it was gonna wait until Saturday and charge up fully in one session.
 

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The functionality for charging at off-peak rates, unfortunately, has not changed from the 2021 to 2022 models. (as I think you already figured out) In order to set a favorable charging rate window, you must set a departure time (page 236 of the 2022 manual - "setting the time window for favorable rate"). But it says that it will start and/or end charging outside of your set charging window so that the vehicle is "as fully charged as possible" prior to departure.

An additional 'feature', which I do not fully understand, is that if you miss your departure time three days in a row, then the scheduled departure time is cancelled (page 238 = "activating the departure time"), which would also cancel your overnight charging window. Is this because it harms the battery to condition it for departure every day without driving it? I'm not sure.
 

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Just taken delivery of my Mini Electric and I don't get why I can't put the car into scheduled charging mode to take advantage of cheaper electricity rates without having to set a leaving time, or pre-conditioning, as I don't leave home at a regular time every day.

My cheap electricty rate is between 00:30 and 04:30, so I tested it by setting up this time slot, and setting my leaving time to 08:00, as that is the time I tend to leave the most. The car charged fine, but it actually started charging around 22:00 in the evening and finished at 08:00 the next morning (I was on a 3 pin plug). The car completely ignored my schedule and just went instead aimed to give me a full charge by 08:00, which is not what I want. I only want the car to drawer power between 00:30 and 04:30.

I do have a wall charger (I'm having teething problems with it as it keeps cutting out, but that's another story), and I can set the schedule on my wall charger and just leave the car set to charge all the time, the problem seems to be that if the wall charger shuts off abruptly at 04:30, the charge session doesn't seem to register on the Mini Connected app, which isn't a show stopper, but it's not ideal.

TLDR: Is there a way to schedule the charging from the car without having to set a departure time or preconditioning?
I had exactly the same issues as you the first week I had my car. With the 13 amp charger it overrides everything to make sure it charges to 100%.
I am now using an Ohme charger and it is set to only charge at the 5p Octopus Go Faster tariff and it does exactly that! That was the easiest way I found to sort it, now it's just plug in and forget.
 

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I have a Mini Countryman PHEV and the charging issue is a nightmare. I'm sure that when I first got the car in 2019 it behaved correctly, you set a shape rate time, told it to use that time and job done. Whoever decided to add a leave time and to make that override the cheap rate needs to seriously consider a different career. OK, if you want to be super clever like that make it a more obvious option, but at least have a simple option of charge my car when prices are cheap, period. Especially nowadays when the car might not be used every day.....

To have to buy a specific smart charger to do this simple thing and to have to invest the best part of £1,000 is nuts.

Please Mini, if anyone there reads these threads, why don't you do it?
 

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Sorry I may have misunderstood. I have never a problem with the scheduled charging to the cheap rate. We have a 7.8kw charger with no software to control it. Everything is controlled by the Mini App. I have the schedule set between 1130pm and 0530am. The cheap rate goes to 0730 am but want to avoid tripping the main circuit breaker when the house electric heating comes on at 0530. I have a scheduled departure set to 0730 on some days and 0700 on others. But the charging is always finished by 2 or 3 in the morning… usually because I rarely go down to below 20%.
The departure time setting is a feature of most EVs I have seen because it also allows you to pre-heat the interior of the car whilst attached to the charger. The Mini app is 100% reliable as far as I have experienced.
 

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Hi, in your response you say that you have options to set different departure time on different days, I'm in the UK and on my app I don't have that and neither has the mini itself got a weekly schedule. This is a difference and I think this is maybe part of the issue. I've just sent an email to customer services and I've also pointed that out to them.

I understand that having a car acclimatised before departure is nice, but why make it mandatory just so you can set a schedule start and stop time, makes no sense. I've basically asked Mini to remove any conditions around setting a charging schedule. We don't use the car every day but I always want it fully charged. I'm sure reading this thread the I'm not alone.
 

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You are not alone.

Mine used to ignore the start time and just start early enough to be at 100% at 04:30.

I am also still stuck with the 13A 2.5kW charger, 10 months since the 7kW one was supposed to be installed (included in the price of the car) but I rarely do long journeys so would be quite happy for less than 100% but it would ignore me.

I got around it it a rather more fundamental way - I wired an immersion heater timer into the cable going to my garage outside socket (those kind of timers are rated at 16A) so my charger is deprived of power until 00:30 and cut off again at 04:30.

And the MINI can do nothing about it !!!
 

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You are not alone.

Mine used to ignore the start time and just start early enough to be at 100% at 04:30.

I am also still stuck with the 13A 2.5kW charger, 10 months since the 7kW one was supposed to be installed (included in the price of the car) but I rarely do long journeys so would be quite happy for less than 100% but it would ignore me.

I got around it it a rather more fundamental way - I wired an immersion heater timer into the cable going to my garage outside socket (those kind of timers are rated at 16A) so my charger is deprived of power until 00:30 and cut off again at 04:30.

And the MINI can do nothing about it !!!
That's a terrible story and I'm shocked tbh that Mini have treated you that way. I've considered installing a smart charger but that means spending about a thousand pounds so out of the question. I'm now considering if there's a way I can turn the power switch on and off via a timer and some sort of mechanical actuator. I have a rotary switch inside my garage that turns the power off to the charger for when I'm away. I may have solved the problem for now by telling my car that I'm driving off at 4:31 in the morning which has worked two days in a row now but for heavens sake, why can't we simply set a schedule that's not dependant on anything. It would be less prone to go wrong.

Thanks for confirming it's not just me.....
 

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Hi, in your response you say that you have options to set different departure time on different days, I'm in the UK and on my app I don't have that and neither has the mini itself got a weekly schedule. This is a difference and I think this is maybe part of the issue. I've just sent an email to customer services and I've also pointed that out to them.

I understand that having a car acclimatised before departure is nice, but why make it mandatory just so you can set a schedule start and stop time, makes no sense. I've basically asked Mini to remove any conditions around setting a charging schedule. We don't use the car every day but I always want it fully charged. I'm sure reading this thread the I'm not alone.
I normally just set my departure as 12:00pm the next day. I manually precondition before I leave so the specific time doesn't matter for me. It always starts to charge at 00:30 and finishes whenever the battery's full.

The UK cars and app do have the option to set different departure times for specific days if that helps. You can set up to 3 different departure times and assign them to whichever days you require.

Here's an example:

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Having seen the replies, I am not really seeing the inconvenience. This is perhaps because the charge time for me is short.. Also because our second EV is a VW ID3 and the scheduled charging and reliability of the setting is the subject of pages of posts on the VW ID3 forum. So I guess I am thankful of that the Mini charging is simple reliable and effective.
The only thing I have to remember is to switch to ‘charge now’ when I hook up away from home.
 

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I gave up trying to make it do what I needed entirely in the car. But I have an Easee One chargepoint so just have the timer on that set to 00:30-04:30. That way the car only gets power for those 4 hours.

Then if I do set the pre-condition timer for the morning it uses the battery, as I found in winter it was costing nearly as much to pre-condition as the 2-3 hours charging at the cheap rate.
 

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I do not have the option of setting different days of the week, maybe I have a model that does't support it, I have a hybrid on a 19 reg plate. Thanks for the feedback, I've concluded that car manufacturers can't properly handle charging currently (apologies for the pun) and the best solution is to have a smart charger. I'm older and wiser. At the moment it seems that setting a departure time of 04:31 works for me. I have emailed Mini customer services to point out my observations and suggest they implement a simple of option for simple people like me, and that's to set a scheduled charge time with no other conditions, can't be that hard can it I've also queried why I don't see the options of doing different things on different days of the week, not that I'm really bothered, but why do I not see what seems to be standard for others.

In the unlikely event that I get a helpful response I'll share it on this forum.
 
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