I picked up a 2019 JCW with facelift yesterday. So far the car feels nice, maybe a little bit waggly but that can be the soft rubber of winter tires in 17". I know more with 18" summer tires with no run-flat tires. Only thing I don't like is that the car don't give the pops and bang which I have seen and heard in youtube. Some reports are that the pops and bang is removed from the facelift model because of some new rules, but I really want to have this. What can I do?
2019 JCW, no pops and bang
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That's great news!!!! You made my day much better!!!! I have been in contact with my dealer and I now got an appointment at beginning of March to try to solve this.Then you don't have a GPF so you can fit what you like or will fit, even a JCW Pro exhaust - cat back.
People get confused when it comes to LCI cars and GPF's, certainly between the Cooper S and JCW.
Just to re-confirm the GPF's were fitted to the Cooper S from May 2018 on-ward, the GPF will be fitted to JCW's after March 2019 - NO JCW manufactured before March 2019 have a GPF fitted.
All the JCW's sold after Feb 2018 are old stock until the new model comes out in March 2019 - I hope this makes sense.
As for your car not popping and banging, I think you need to try harder
Yeah, I think Scotland and Norway are quite similar in with hills, glens, and mountains. My believe is that you are driving on the wrong side of road thenI've had my LCI JCW for 10.5months now, just about to break 9000 miles. Whilst I agree it's a little bit of a let down compared to the pre-LCI, bear with it. Mine is opening up nicely now. I've only every used high octane - regular fuel twice in desperation I think. Although urban pops and bangs are like hens teeth, get it out on twisty, hilly stretches (I imagine the hills and glens of Scotland will be similar to Norway!) and Johnny will sing a merry tune. I find the cold start, mid mode growl fabulous - and in the near-zero temperatures, when you gun it, the air intake sounds like you've blown a hose!
Just be patient
MINIs are aren't the only car having this issue now. The new Lotus models have been wound back considerably - our 2yo Exige sounds insane compared to the ones being built now and our 2 month X3 M40i is SUCH a disappointment! Not ONE backfire yet! My OH is gutted since he was basing his model choice on youtube videos like I did with the JCW.
So you think mine will "open up" so I can expect pops n bangs later?
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When we compared V5C information between Donna's LCI and my pre 2017 November build JCW (when we both got them new in March 2018) My pre November 2017 build had a much higher noise (drive by and static) specified. Obviously Donna's LCI is pre WLTP which means a Particulate Filter is not fitted, but will be on the latest batch, which can only make things even quieter. Bad news for a car thats sold on its noise as part of the character.
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Are you sure?
My Mini Cooper S goes as model 2019, manufactuerd 2018-03-09 I have the DCT gearbox and union jacks, but not sure if I have GPF. Is there some way to find out?
Regarding pops n bangs on the MCS I have not heard anything.
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Really!!?? You need to drive it harder! Really hard! Lots of overrun, hills and twisty roads! My JCW is around the same time - mid March 2018 - registered 31/3/18
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Would be interested to hear how you get on @Frafoss. If mine is pre-GPF too, I'd be interested in how to make it a bit more mental without shelling out on aftermarket exhausts! I like the pops I get so I don't necessarily want it any louder, I just wish Johnny was a bit more forthcoming with them!!
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Look at my MCS (december 18) with GPF...pops are there (car static) but in movement I can’t heard anything.
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Yes that I have, but when I drive and let go of the gas pedal I get nothing.
This is maybe a bit extreme, but when I think about pop n bangs this is what comes in mind.
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Is that March or September manufacture, if March then you will not have one, if the later for sure you will have one and will look like the photo below.
Mine now pops in normal mode, certainly when the filter is being regenerated, plus the sound is significantly deeper than a standard system, I did a sound clip but it really doesn't give you the true sound you have when you run the car - this is the Cobra GPF back system which is made in 304SS and will not corrode.
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I will keep you updated. Even though I don't drive this car daily, I'm really interested to find a solution. Even my wife thinks so
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To add:
I think the LCI JCW (2018) was built until June/July. I have one that was built in March (20-3-2018 to be precise) and I have no GPF. It also didn't pop much to start with. Then I put the JCW pro exhaust on it and it pops like a maniac.
I can imagine the new one (post March 2019) will be even quieter than mine was at the start.
I think the LCI JCW (2018) was built until June/July. I have one that was built in March (20-3-2018 to be precise) and I have no GPF. It also didn't pop much to start with. Then I put the JCW pro exhaust on it and it pops like a maniac.
I can imagine the new one (post March 2019) will be even quieter than mine was at the start.
I spoke with my dealer today. Built date of the car is March 2018, and the engine has a different spec then previous. It actually seems that the car has GPF fitted, similar to what Mini has done for diesel only. The JCW Pro exhaust is not compatible, but if it's because of technical reason or new emissions laws they can't answer yet. Anyway, the car will be checked at the beginning of March and hopefully, I know more then.Then you don't have a GPF so you can fit what you like or will fit, even a JCW Pro exhaust - cat back.
People get confused when it comes to LCI cars and GPF's, certainly between the Cooper S and JCW.
Just to re-confirm the GPF's were fitted to the Cooper S from May 2018 on-ward, the GPF will be fitted to JCW's after March 2019 - NO JCW manufactured before March 2019 have a GPF fitted.
All the JCW's sold after Feb 2018 are old stock until the new model comes out in March 2019 - I hope this makes sense.
As for your car not popping and banging, I think you need to try harder
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I have posted this before, but the JCW Pro Exhaust is not available due to "Type Approval" not emissions. Generally the emission are not effected by the exhaust pipe fitted, provided the ECU / Lambda sensors / Cat and GPF are working within spec with the new exhaust. The problem is noise. Noise regulation has remained unchanged since 1995, but was updated in 2014. Basically drive by noise is being reduced by 2db increments over the next 4 years. 2db may not sound much, but 3db is actually 1/2 the noise level, so these changes are going to make a significant change in car noise levels.
The JCW Pro Exhaust has another problem with the flap. Because of "cheat devices" (Thanks VW), the flap is being considered as a "cheat device" and will have to be tested Open and Closed for noise from 2020. This is not just a sad day for people who want Mini's to sound noisy, but also supercars that should sound noisy. Hence from MINIs perspective there is little point developing (and getting approval for) a quieter version of the JCW Pro Exhaust for only 2 years sales.
I have a JCW with the JCW Pro Exhaust, I purchased it knowing the rule changes where coming into force, and cars will no longer be noisy. In truth it's a pointless upgrade, because it's illegal to use it on the road, and I don't know of any track in the UK that would let you use that exhaust during a track day. BUT it's the reason I loved my F55 MCS with JCW tuning kit and the reason I purchased one of the last JCWs that could have the JCW Pro Exhaust fitted officially.
The world of cars is changing, It makes some cars more difficult to justify, removes the DNA of others, and it saddens me. It's the reason BMW introduced fake sound, so one day we all accept an all electric M car silently driving by while the driver enjoys a V8 soundtrack coming from the stereo.
For reference https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/automotive/environment-protection/noise-reduction_en
The JCW Pro Exhaust has another problem with the flap. Because of "cheat devices" (Thanks VW), the flap is being considered as a "cheat device" and will have to be tested Open and Closed for noise from 2020. This is not just a sad day for people who want Mini's to sound noisy, but also supercars that should sound noisy. Hence from MINIs perspective there is little point developing (and getting approval for) a quieter version of the JCW Pro Exhaust for only 2 years sales.
I have a JCW with the JCW Pro Exhaust, I purchased it knowing the rule changes where coming into force, and cars will no longer be noisy. In truth it's a pointless upgrade, because it's illegal to use it on the road, and I don't know of any track in the UK that would let you use that exhaust during a track day. BUT it's the reason I loved my F55 MCS with JCW tuning kit and the reason I purchased one of the last JCWs that could have the JCW Pro Exhaust fitted officially.
The world of cars is changing, It makes some cars more difficult to justify, removes the DNA of others, and it saddens me. It's the reason BMW introduced fake sound, so one day we all accept an all electric M car silently driving by while the driver enjoys a V8 soundtrack coming from the stereo.
For reference https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/automotive/environment-protection/noise-reduction_en
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I might be able to answer the waggling for you here and now seeing as you have 17"
Ive had 8 months of this and just changed the front tyres from Hankook (which I imagine you have) to some Dunlop Sport Maxx. It has transformed the car.
15,16 and 17 come out of the factory with Hankook it seems but must be a harder rubber and just does not work on a performance car. DM if you want any more info!
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That's interesting. I've heard runflats are noisy - but when I had my last JCW I had the 18" with Dunlops and the noise never bothered me at all. I've just ordered a 2019 JCW and have gone for the 17" black track spoke with runflats this time so I'll see if I notice the difference. I thought maybe I was just hardened to the noise given some of the cars I've driven about in over the years lol. Thanks for the info
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They are noisier I think but nothing that has ever bothered me. It will be interesting to see 1. If it comes with Hankooks and 2. If you experience any wandering as a result.That's interesting. I've heard runflats are noisy - but when I had my last JCW I had the 18" with Dunlops and the noise never bothered me at all. I've just ordered a 2019 JCW and have gone for the 17" black track spoke with runflats this time so I'll see if I notice the difference. I thought maybe I was just hardened to the noise given some of the cars I've driven about in over the years lol. Thanks for the info
At least if you do you know the reason for this. it has taken me a while to work it out so trying to be as much help as possible.
Ps. I like the look of the track spoke, cup spokes are too common I think
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The WAGGLING is a nightmare on mine, it also has 17's but i have the Bridgestone's not Hankooks. I'd love to get this sorted but cant afford to upgrade the Rims maybe the tyres soon though.
To jump back to the dreaded noise issue, as we all seem to agree the cars no longer Pop and Bang, BUT on a cold start the car is much louder and today i revved her up whilst at work and sure enough Pop Pop bang, woooah wtf is happening, this is what it should sound like, but as soon as it warms up that is the end of that Boo hiss.
So what is the engine doing when it first starts? Is it like an old school choke? So is over fueling ??
Wish i could keep it sounding this way, hopefully one of you will try the same and see what happens.
There might be hope yet.
To jump back to the dreaded noise issue, as we all seem to agree the cars no longer Pop and Bang, BUT on a cold start the car is much louder and today i revved her up whilst at work and sure enough Pop Pop bang, woooah wtf is happening, this is what it should sound like
, but as soon as it warms up that is the end of that Boo hiss.So what is the engine doing when it first starts? Is it like an old school choke? So is over fueling ??
Wish i could keep it sounding this way, hopefully one of you will try the same and see what happens.
There might be hope yet.
The car is with Continental Viking Contact 6, which is a winter tire specific for Scandinavian winter so rubber is very soft compared to central European winter tires who emphasize more on speed, slush, and rain. Anyway, I know more about the waggling when I put on 18" summer tires. I have selected Yokohama Advan V105 in 215/40-18 size. Little more rubber on road some extra height on tire wall. Hopefully, the car will calm down and feel more stable then.
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